For decades, we have been in the streets in defense of the Palestinian people, and will continue to fight until the total liberation of Palestine!

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    Its pretty obvious as I’ve continually hammered that the Dems are the less damaging option, which is why I support them.

    It’s clear you believe that, but it’s clear that I don’t. You haven’t supported that logically.

    The Republicans are “much worse” if you leave your little echo chamber: look at the track record for each party. The Republicans want to mass deport immigrants, constantly deny climate change exists, and have their plan to kill off trans people and other sexual minorities in their playbook. Not to mention the whole “Muslim ban” they did under Trump. The Democrats by contrast… don’t do those things. That’s all there is to it for me to know they are better. Make a vent diagram on the actual policies each party has implemented, and you will see a stark difference, even if they are both “Right.”

    The Democrats still do those things, please leave your echo chamber. Virtue signaling isn’t policy.

    There we go with the classic attenpt at a gotcha again. I never said I supported any of those regimes, yet you seem to think I do. I have the cognitive capacity to look at the aftermath of those things and go “man, that sure was a lot of dead people. maybe I should try the peaceful approach first.”

    The “peaceful approach” doesn’t exist. You justify the immense daily violence and condemn retaliation against it.

    furthermore, how many of those Arab Spring revolutions ended with things being better for the people? My claim is that across all revolutions, there is a rather high chance for things to go tits up and ruin everything.

    And yet revolution is required for things to improve.

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      Tell me, does the ACA save and improve lives of the average person: yes or no?

      Does investing in repairing bridges mean that people will be less likely to die: yes or no?

      Does enshrining the right to abortion (at a state level thus far) improve the lives of the average person: yes or no?

      The democrats are trying to mass deport legal immigrants and have a plan to kill off all sexual minorities by labeling them pedophiles? News to me.

      I’d rather gamble on a peaceful regime change over the possibility of millions of people dying because we fucked the revolution and let another Stalin take power…

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        Tell me, does the ACA save and improve lives of the average person: yes or no?

        The ACA is an excellent example because it’s the Dems operating at the peak of their faux-progressivism. It did help some people in an immediate sense because it had some useful concessions in it, but its basic function of being state-mandated private healthcare entrenched the power of private interests, allowing them to fight all the better against advocates of universal healthcare, while conservatives can accuse anyone wanting something better of trying to roll back the marginal improvements that the ACA’s concessions brought (and they have been doing this, in case you haven’t followed the last few Dem primaries).

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        Tell me, does the ACA save and improve lives of the average person: yes or no?

        Not nearly as many could be if the Democrats were willing to abolish private healthcare, and weren’t in the pockets of big pharma

        Does investing in repairing bridges mean that people will be less likely to die: yes or no?

        Not nearly as many as investing in public transit and high speed rail, rather than remaining in the pockets of the automotive industry

        Does enshrining the right to abortion (at a state level thus far) improve the lives of the average person: yes or no?

        Absolutely, it’s on the Dems that this was never federally implemented.

        The democrats are trying to mass deport legal immigrants and have a plan to kill off all sexual minorities by labeling them pedophiles? News to me.

        Yep, take a look at all the kids in cages under Biden along the border.

        I’d rather gamble on a peaceful regime change over the possibility of millions of people dying because we fucked the revolution and let another Stalin take power…

        Even under Stalin life expectancy doubled, healthcare was free and widely available, employment was guarunteed, education was free and widely available at the college level, and workers had more PTO than in the US. Was Stalin some grand hero? No, of course not, but the revolution was widely successful, not a failure. Read Why do Marxists Fail to Bring the “Worker’s Paradise?”, it’s only 20 minutes instead of a full book, though you absolutely need to read Blackshirts and Reds if you’re going to continue this historical revisionist nonsense.

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          So the Democrats did improve the lives of people, you’re just bitching because they didn’t complete the revolution themselves lmfao.

          Just admit you want the worst possible situation to occur under the Republicans so the revolution is more likely to happen or whatever and cut the bullshit dude.

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            So the Democrats did improve the lives of people, you’re just removed because they didn’t complete the revolution themselves lmfao.

            Bandaids on a gaping wound is like celebrating a fire department that throws a bucket on the raging flames, lmao.

            Just admit you want the worst possible situation to occur under the Republicans so the revolution is more likely to happen or whatever and cut the bullshit dude.

            I don’t, so I won’t. You keep pressing this point because you can’t read books and can’t engage with my points.

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              So you don’t want to improve people’s lives by your admission and would rather let things get worse because they don’t magically make everything better completely.

              Jesus christ, I don’t think I’d want the revolution to succeed if you don’t want to improve people’s lives while working to make things better long term.

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                So you don’t want to improve people’s lives by your admission and would rather let things get worse because they don’t magically make everything better completely.

                No, I would rather get the firehose out and start putting the fires out, rather than acting like the bucket is the best we can do. I already said, developing high speed rail, free healthcare and education, massively expanded public housing, all of that is extremely achievable. Other countries, even developing ones, manage to do it. You have this defeatist mentality that the Democrats are somehow trying their best but just entirely inept, when in reality they serve their donors alone.

                Jesus christ, I don’t think I’d want the revolution to succeed if you don’t want to improve people’s lives while working to make things better long term.

                All improvements are gradual, the Dems are doing less than the bare minimum and are expecting applause for it. Cuba has better LGBT legislation than the US does, there’s no excuse.

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                  So all improvements are gradual, but also I won’t vote for gradual change, but also the Dems should be doing more while having to fight for any reform in the split government. Got it.

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                    Dems aren’t gradual change but virtue signalling, they serve their donors. There’s a difference between gradual change and kabuki theatre.